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I heard HK is out on the new units for 2020 but I don't know who the new vendor is

Harman Kardon is just the speakers and amp on top trim levels, right? I think all the head units Subaru uses are still Clarion stuff. Starlink is a Clarion / Subaru joint development. With all the problems, Subaru ditching Clarion makes sense. They still need some kind of premium brand name for a premium audio trim option. I think HK is now owned by Samsung so Subaru might be shopping since that brand is tainted with all the recent issues that are actually Clarion problems.
 

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Harman Kardon is just the speakers and amp on top trim levels, right? I think all the head units Subaru uses are still Clarion stuff. Starlink is a Clarion / Subaru joint development. With all the problems, Subaru ditching Clarion makes sense. They still need some kind of premium brand name for a premium audio trim option. I think HK is now owned by Samsung so Subaru might be shopping since that brand is tainted with all the recent issues that are actually Clarion problems.
All the new ones ('17+ for the Impreza and '18+ for the Crosstrek, etc.) are Harman Industries head units. Harman Kardon is one of the audio enhancements from the factory (bundled with nav on the Crosstrek). I would be surprised if they switched to a different HU with the Legacy, even with the issues they've had with it. Ours is better since the last few firmware updates.
 

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The 2019 Legacy comes standard with a 4-cylinder engine making 175 horsepower, with an optional 6-cylinder good for 256 ponies. Using the same Global Platform as the Impreza it is a bit heavier and more upscale inside, targeted to an older crowd of folks.

SOA sold a bit more than forty thousand Legacys last year so I guess they will stick with it.
 

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The 2019 Legacy comes standard with a 4-cylinder engine making 175 horsepower, with an optional 6-cylinder good for 256 ponies. Using the same Global Platform as the Impreza it is a bit heavier and more upscale inside, targeted to an older crowd of folks.

SOA sold a bit more than forty thousand Legacys last year so I guess they will stick with it.

The current generation Legacy/Outback (2015 to 2019 model year) is not on the global platform. That will be the 2020 Legacy and Outback. The normally aspirated 4-cylinder gets bumped from 175 horsepower to 182 but torque only goes up by two foot-pounds. The engine upgrade will be the 2.4L turbo 4 used in the Ascent.


I imagine the Legacy and Outback demographic is geezer compared to the Impreza. The Legacy is pretty much an AWD Camry/Accord.
 

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Agreed on the sales being bad. Personally miss our old 1999 Legacy Wagon. Yes, I know there is the outback but I don’t need the extra clearance.
Miss my 1998 Legacy Wagon, but switch to an Impreza hatchback in December and am very happy. But the Legacy was bought for a family of 3 and it is rare for me to have someone in the Impreza's back seat.
 

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We're buying a 5 door Impreza Premium/no EyeSight for my girlfriend's daughter. I was at the dealer getting an oil change on the Outback last week and found a twin of that trim level on the lot that was still clad in the shipping plastic. I'm 6'2" with really broad shoulders. I felt really cramped in the Impreza where my Outback and Legacy sedans I've rented feel spacious. My girlfriend's daughter is tiny so the car is appropriate. She can easily get her paddle board up on the roof, for example. It brought back memories of my mom's old 1973 DL wagon where I could barely fit in it.
 

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US Sales for first quarter 2022
  • 28.3% Crosstrek
  • 24.9% Outback
  • 23.7% Forester
  • 11.1% Ascent
  • 6.6% Impreza
  • 4.2% Legacy
  • 0.7% BRZ
  • 0.4% WRX
This quarter is the first ever that the Crosstrek has become Subaru's #1 seller in the US, but that may be an artifact of production issues.
I imagine the Legacy and Outback demographic is geezer compared to the Impreza. The Legacy is pretty much an AWD Camry/Accord.
My father traded in his Legacy for an Impreza when he was age 72, but now that he is in his 80's and in poor health the Impreza is killing him to get in and out.

The local Subaru dealer does not charge any additional dealer markup, but the MSRP of the vehicles he is selling is shockingly high.
  1. $28,225 2022 Subaru Impreza Sport
  2. $36,458 2022 Subaru Legacy Limited XT
  3. $38,158 2022 Subaru Legacy Touring XT
  4. $33,343 2022 Subaru Crosstrek Limited
  5. $37,099 2022 Subaru Forester Wilderness
  6. $28,452 2022 Subaru Outback Base Trim Level
  7. $32,765 2022 Subaru Outback Premium
  8. $34,360 2022 Subaru Outback Premium
  9. $37,940 2022 Subaru Outback Limited
  10. $39,290 2022 Subaru Outback Onyx Edition XT
  11. $40,706 2022 Subaru Outback Wilderness
  12. $38,227 2022 Subaru Ascent Premium 7-Passenger
  13. $44,943 2022 Subaru Ascent Limited 7-Passenger
  14. $44,943 2022 Subaru Ascent Limited 8-Passenger
  15. $47,843 2022 Subaru Ascent Touring 7-Passenger
  16. $47,843 2022 Subaru Ascent Touring 7-Passenger
 

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I sympathize with your dad. At age 67, entering and especially exiting my Impreza is hard on my knees. It's not painful enough to make want to drive my wife's Outback though. A least not yet...

BTW, I was in the parts department of a nearby Subaru dealer a few days ago. They had no new Subarus on the lot.
 

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BTW, I was in the parts department of a nearby Subaru dealer a few days ago. They had no new Subarus on the lot.
They post them as "in transit" on their website and selll them enroute. I sincerely doubt that Subaru will sell both the Impreza and the Legacy next year, but I am not sure which one they will give up.
 

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Yes. I bought my daughter’s Impreza sight unseen while it was in transit. It was the cheapest Impreza on their site with an automatic. Lol
 

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It looks like for 2023 Subaru is adding an XT version of the Legacy Sport. No word on the price
$36,695 Legacy Touring XT 32/24 highway/city
$34,995 Legacy Limited XT 32/24
$30,445 Legacy Limited 35/27
$29,290 Legacy Sport 35/27
$25,745 Legacy Premium 35/27
$23,495 Legacy ------------ 35/27

Sales for the first 4 months of 2022
7,917 Legacy - Indiana
10,459 Impreza - Indiana
19,926 Ascent - Indiana
49,482 Outback - Indiana
37,488 Forester
49,480 Crosstrek

Sales for the Impreza and Legacy are so much lower than the SUVs that perhaps Subaru should follow Mazda's lead and go upmarket. They could sell the Legacy solely with the 2.4 liter 260 hp turbo engine and the Impreza and Crosstrek with the larger 2.5 liter 182 hp naturally aspirated engine and get rid of the 2.0 liter 152 hp engine.

In the past Subaru sold the Impreza, Legacy, Forester, and Outlook all with the same engine. For instance in 2007 the Impreza and Forester advertised a 2.5 L 4-cylinder 173 hp engine, and the Legacy and Outback advertised a 2.5 L 4-cylinder 175 hp engine.
 
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