[peaty]

My guess is they're going to sink more of their R&D money into the EV Market before they go the three cylinder route again.

 

[PacoMartin]

The Subaru Justy engine did not look like a Boxer engine.

Many of the automakers are going to go to three cylinder turbocharged (except Mirage) engines.

1. Mitsubishi Mirage (naturally aspirated)
2. Buick Encore (turbocharged)
3. Chevrolet Trailblazer (turbocharged)
4. Ford Bronco Sport (turbocharged)
5. Ford Escape (turbocharged)
6. MINI Cooper (turbocharged)
7. Nissan Rogue (turbocharged)

And of course for 2023 we will have the GR Corolla, which is almost certain to increase interest in turbocharged 3 cylinder engines.

My guess is they're going to sink more of their R&D money into the EV Market before they go the three cylinder route again.

Actually, I hope that Subaru puts all their research money into EVs. I think they should replace the Ascent, the XT Legacy and XT Outback with EVs, and unfortunately I think the handwriting is on the wall for the internal combustion engine WRX.

I hope that Subaru leaves the FB20D and the FB25D engines unmodified, but I doubt that I will get my wish. Subaru is probably going to turbocharge or hybridize them. Given their membership into the Toyota Automotive Group, I would say hybrid is a solid bet.

 

[PacoMartin]

I hope that Subaru leaves the FB20D and the FB25D engines unmodified, but I doubt that I will get my wish.

The Tribeca sold 76,774 vehicles during it's lifetime, and I am sorry to say that I think the Solterra is not going to exceed that amount. There are just too many srikes against it. The mess with the lug nuts followed by the loss of the $7500 tax incentives. The specs on the Solterra are just not awe-inspiring for them to handle competition from VW for vehicles that are equal in performance and lower priced (VW still qualifies for $7500).

Without strong Solterra sales to lower CAFE, I think that Subaru has little choice but to replace the FB25 with the CB18 (which stands for Concentration/Compact Boxer) sold in Japan.

• The CB18 Bore and stroke are 80.6 mm × 88.0 mm. Rated output power is 170 hp at 5,200–5,600 RPM and torque is 220 lb⋅ft at 1,600–3,600 RPM (~39 mpg) turbocharged
• The FB25D Bore and stroke are 94.0 mm × 90.0 mm. Rated output power is 182 hp at 5800 rpm and 176 lb⋅ft at 4400 rpm (28.7-30.1 mpg | Wilderness 26.2 mpg)

Although the CB18 has a much better torque curve it has lower hp and may not sell as well.

 

[BruceP]

Although the CB18 has a much better torque curve it has lower hp and may not sell as well.

The old saying of "People buy HP but drive torque" still holds true.

It is the horsepower numbers on the sales brochure which the buyers look for.... but it is the torque which pushes the vehicle forward with gusto.

 

[nowiecoche]

The old saying of "People buy HP but drive torque" still holds true.

It is the horsepower numbers on the sales brochure which the buyers look for.... but it is the torque which pushes the vehicle forward with gusto.

Love this statement. I've driven both the Jeep XJ Cherokee and the YJ Wrangler, experiencing the extreme torque with those inline 6. The horsepower isn't much, but with that amount of torque, the vehicle just moves very easily.

The Impreza is pretty much the opposite. It can speed at if you push it, but the low end torque is not something to be proud of.

 

[PacoMartin]

The old saying of "People buy HP but drive torque" still holds true.

Torque wins races on Sunday, but horsepower sells cars on Monday.

A Forester Sport with a CB18 1.8-liter direct injection turbocharged flat-4 engine was introduced in October 2020 for the Japanese domestic market.
The JDM Forester engine produces 174 hp at 5,200-5,600 rpm and 221 lb-ft at 1,600-3,600 rpm.
The Forester in North America produces 182 hp at 5,8000 rpm and 176 lb-ft at 4,400 rpm.

Subaru Teases a "New SUV" for September 15 (in 10 days) debut in the US. Most speculation is around a new generation Crosstrek, but it could be the Forester Sport.